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''Page designed to hash things out. Probably not a separate page, probably belongs in [[Weapon Guide]]?'' | ''Page designed to hash things out. Probably not a separate page, probably belongs in [[Weapon Guide]]?'' | ||
| − | =Craftable= | + | ==Craftable== |
There are 4 "viable" melee weapons that you can craft in RimWorld. In order of highest ''raw'' {{DPS}} to lowest: | There are 4 "viable" melee weapons that you can craft in RimWorld. In order of highest ''raw'' {{DPS}} to lowest: | ||
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But ranking weapons isn't as simple as ranking DPS. There are a lot of complex mechanics, even beyond [[armor]] and {{AP}}, that make determining the "best" weapon difficult. | But ranking weapons isn't as simple as ranking DPS. There are a lot of complex mechanics, even beyond [[armor]] and {{AP}}, that make determining the "best" weapon difficult. | ||
| − | == Longsword == | + | === Longsword === |
| + | ---- | ||
* Raw DPS: 10.71 ([[plasteel]], normal) | * Raw DPS: 10.71 ([[plasteel]], normal) | ||
* AP of "Best" attack: 37.4% ([[plasteel]], normal) | * AP of "Best" attack: 37.4% ([[plasteel]], normal) | ||
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* '''Sharp weapons cause bleeding.''' Both Stab and Cut damage will cause bleeding on hit. However, bleeding is unlikely to help the player; melee engagements are usually over long before combat penalties due to blood loss can kick in. | * '''Sharp weapons cause bleeding.''' Both Stab and Cut damage will cause bleeding on hit. However, bleeding is unlikely to help the player; melee engagements are usually over long before combat penalties due to blood loss can kick in. | ||
| − | == Spear == | + | === Spear === |
| + | ---- | ||
* Raw DPS: 10.55 ([[plasteel]], normal) ({{%| 10.55/10.71 round 3}} of longsword) | * Raw DPS: 10.55 ([[plasteel]], normal) ({{%| 10.55/10.71 round 3}} of longsword) | ||
* AP of "Best" attack: 55% ([[plasteel]], normal) | * AP of "Best" attack: 55% ([[plasteel]], normal) | ||
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* '''Sharp weapons cause bleeding.''' Stab damage causes bleeding on hit. However, bleeding is unlikely to help the player; melee engagements are usually over long before combat penalties due to blood loss can kick in. | * '''Sharp weapons cause bleeding.''' Stab damage causes bleeding on hit. However, bleeding is unlikely to help the player; melee engagements are usually over long before combat penalties due to blood loss can kick in. | ||
| − | == Mace == | + | === Mace === |
| + | ---- | ||
* Raw DPS: 9.56 ([[uranium]], normal) ({{%| 9.56/10.71 round 3}} of longsword) | * Raw DPS: 9.56 ([[uranium]], normal) ({{%| 9.56/10.71 round 3}} of longsword) | ||
* Damage types for "Best" attack: ''[[Damage types#Blunt|Blunt]]'' (100%) | * Damage types for "Best" attack: ''[[Damage types#Blunt|Blunt]]'' (100%) | ||
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*'''Most enemies have little Blunt armor.''' For example, a [[flak vest]] has 100% Sharp armor and 40% Blunt armor. Almost all enemies in RimWorld follow this trend. A uranium mace is likely to have enough {{AP}} to completely ignore the Blunt armor of every enemy you see in the game. | *'''Most enemies have little Blunt armor.''' For example, a [[flak vest]] has 100% Sharp armor and 40% Blunt armor. Almost all enemies in RimWorld follow this trend. A uranium mace is likely to have enough {{AP}} to completely ignore the Blunt armor of every enemy you see in the game. | ||
| − | *'''Blunt weapons can stun enemies, | + | *'''Blunt weapons can stun enemies, though the chance is small'''. If a blunt weapon hits the torso or a equivalent body part (a [[scyther]]'s thorax, a [[centipede]] ''1st'' body ring...), then the target has a chance to be stunned for a short time. This is completely independent from [[EMP]] and mechanoid adaptation. Stun chance depends on the target's health scale and the damage done. A normal uranium mace hitting a human would have a 2.7% chance to stun per hit to the torso. |
| − | *'''Blunt weapons have superior damage spread.''' If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed ''and'' the arm is damaged too. Unlike | + | *'''Blunt weapons have superior damage spread.''' If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed ''and'' the arm is damaged too. Unlike Cut damage, Blunt is always concentrated on 1 body part first, making Blunt better at destroying body parts. |
*'''Maces are the cheapest weapon of the four.''' Maces cost {{icon small|stuff}} 50, half that of longswords and a third of warhammers. Maces are best used with [[uranium]], which is a cheaper and less useful metal than [[plasteel]]. In addition, maces are the only one of the four to be unlocked with [[Research#Smithing|Smithing]] rather than Long Blades. | *'''Maces are the cheapest weapon of the four.''' Maces cost {{icon small|stuff}} 50, half that of longswords and a third of warhammers. Maces are best used with [[uranium]], which is a cheaper and less useful metal than [[plasteel]]. In addition, maces are the only one of the four to be unlocked with [[Research#Smithing|Smithing]] rather than Long Blades. | ||
| − | == Warhammer == | + | === Warhammer === |
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* Raw DPS: 9.31 ([[uranium]], normal) ({{%| 9.31/10.71 round 3}} of longsword) | * Raw DPS: 9.31 ([[uranium]], normal) ({{%| 9.31/10.71 round 3}} of longsword) | ||
* Damage types for "Best" attack: ''[[Damage types#Blunt|Blunt]]'' (100%) | * Damage types for "Best" attack: ''[[Damage types#Blunt|Blunt]]'' (100%) | ||
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*'''Most enemies have little Blunt armor.''' For example, a [[flak vest]] has 100% Sharp armor and 40% Blunt armor. Almost all enemies in RimWorld follow this trend. A uranium warhammer is likely to have enough {{AP}} to completely ignore the Blunt armor of every enemy you see in the game. | *'''Most enemies have little Blunt armor.''' For example, a [[flak vest]] has 100% Sharp armor and 40% Blunt armor. Almost all enemies in RimWorld follow this trend. A uranium warhammer is likely to have enough {{AP}} to completely ignore the Blunt armor of every enemy you see in the game. | ||
| − | *'''Warhammers swing slowly, but deal more damage.''' Well, it swings as slowly as the longsword or | + | *'''Warhammers swing slowly, but deal more damage (than the mace).''' Well, it swings as slowly as the longsword or spear, for less damage than either sharp weapon. It swings slower and hits harder than a mace, however. This is relevant when considering the below point. |
| − | *'''Blunt weapons have superior damage spread.''' If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed ''and'' the arm is damaged too. Unlike | + | *'''Blunt weapons have superior damage spread.''' If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed ''and'' the arm is damaged too. Unlike Cut damage, Blunt is always concentrated on 1 body part first, making Blunt better at destroying body parts. |
| − | *'''Blunt weapons can stun enemies, | + | *'''Blunt weapons can stun enemies, though the chance is small'''. If a blunt weapon hits the torso or a equivalent body part (a [[scyther]]'s thorax, a [[centipede]] ''1st'' body ring...), then the target has a chance to be stunned for a short time. This is completely independent from [[EMP]] and mechanoid adaptation. Stun chance depends on the target's health scale and the damage done. |
Revision as of 22:18, 4 March 2023
Page designed to hash things out. Probably not a separate page, probably belongs in Weapon Guide?
Craftable
There are 4 "viable" melee weapons that you can craft in RimWorld. In order of highest raw DPS to lowest:
Longswords are the best (craftable) weapon against unarmored and lightly armored targets.
Spears are somewhat worse than longswords, but have a much higher AP.
Maces are special for being Blunt weapons. Most enemies have very little blunt armor, and Blunt damage has a few other special mechanics. The mace is also the cheapest of the 4 weapons.- Warhammers
are also Blunt weapons. The warhammer swings slower than the mace, but is stronger per-hit.
But ranking weapons isn't as simple as ranking DPS. There are a lot of complex mechanics, even beyond armor and AP, that make determining the "best" weapon difficult.
Longsword
- Raw DPS: 10.71 (plasteel, normal)
- AP of "Best" attack: 37.4% (plasteel, normal)
- Damage types for "Best" attack: Stab (50%) or Cut (50%)
Notable mechanics:
- Cut damage has a chance to "cleave". When a Cut damage hits an enemy, there is a chance to "cleave" an enemy. This increases total damage by 140%, then spreads it throughout body parts. This makes Cut damage less likely to destroy body parts, but causes more pain. Pain shock is, by far, the most common way to disable an enemy in combat). The chance of a cleave attack is undocumented.
- Sharp weapons cause bleeding. Both Stab and Cut damage will cause bleeding on hit. However, bleeding is unlikely to help the player; melee engagements are usually over long before combat penalties due to blood loss can kick in.
Spear
- Raw DPS: 10.55 (plasteel, normal) (98.5% of longsword)
- AP of "Best" attack: 55% (plasteel, normal)
- Damage types for "Best" attack: Stab (100%)
Notable mechanics:
- Stab damage is better at attacking internal organs. Stab attacks are more likely to hit internal organs. And when a Stab attack targets an internal organ, its damage is not reduced, unlike Cut and Blunt damage. Note that this isn't a common occurrence in the first place.
- Stab damage is concentrated on 1 part. Stabs are more likely than Cuts to destroy large body parts, like the head, heart, and torso. Below Masterwork quality or so, this is unlikely to matter.
- Stab damage has the worst damage spread mechanics. If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed and the arm is damaged too. If Cut damage would destroy finger, there is a chance for cleave to proc, spreading damage to multiple parts. Therefore, stab damage is more likely to "whiff", and damage can be wasted (especially at the highest of qualities).
- Sharp weapons cause bleeding. Stab damage causes bleeding on hit. However, bleeding is unlikely to help the player; melee engagements are usually over long before combat penalties due to blood loss can kick in.
Mace
Notable mechanics:
- Most enemies have little Blunt armor. For example, a flak vest has 100% Sharp armor and 40% Blunt armor. Almost all enemies in RimWorld follow this trend. A uranium mace is likely to have enough AP to completely ignore the Blunt armor of every enemy you see in the game.
- Blunt weapons can stun enemies, though the chance is small. If a blunt weapon hits the torso or a equivalent body part (a scyther's thorax, a centipede 1st body ring...), then the target has a chance to be stunned for a short time. This is completely independent from EMP and mechanoid adaptation. Stun chance depends on the target's health scale and the damage done. A normal uranium mace hitting a human would have a 2.7% chance to stun per hit to the torso.
- Blunt weapons have superior damage spread. If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed and the arm is damaged too. Unlike Cut damage, Blunt is always concentrated on 1 body part first, making Blunt better at destroying body parts.
- Maces are the cheapest weapon of the four. Maces cost
50, half that of longswords and a third of warhammers. Maces are best used with uranium, which is a cheaper and less useful metal than plasteel. In addition, maces are the only one of the four to be unlocked with Smithing rather than Long Blades.
Warhammer
Notable mechanics:
- Most enemies have little Blunt armor. For example, a flak vest has 100% Sharp armor and 40% Blunt armor. Almost all enemies in RimWorld follow this trend. A uranium warhammer is likely to have enough AP to completely ignore the Blunt armor of every enemy you see in the game.
- Warhammers swing slowly, but deal more damage (than the mace). Well, it swings as slowly as the longsword or spear, for less damage than either sharp weapon. It swings slower and hits harder than a mace, however. This is relevant when considering the below point.
- Blunt weapons have superior damage spread. If Stab damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed. If Blunt damage destroys a finger, the finger is destroyed and the arm is damaged too. Unlike Cut damage, Blunt is always concentrated on 1 body part first, making Blunt better at destroying body parts.
- Blunt weapons can stun enemies, though the chance is small. If a blunt weapon hits the torso or a equivalent body part (a scyther's thorax, a centipede 1st body ring...), then the target has a chance to be stunned for a short time. This is completely independent from EMP and mechanoid adaptation. Stun chance depends on the target's health scale and the damage done.