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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Zesty/Archive 1 on 2018-09-05.

Summary by Zesty

Old moderation issue, resolved

Gottoni (talkcontribs)

I already told you before, Yoshida is motivated by vengeance and is not interested in what is best for the wiki but instead what is worst to me. He is not reasonable and me talking to him will do nothing.

There is very simple solution: tell him to not touch my writings and let some else do it. We have plenty or people here to evaluate things and only Yoshida creates problems out of contributions. For example, PigeonGuru has always edited and sometimes removed my stuff but he has done so moderately because he is actually neutral like he should be.

Yoshida talks about doing "restoration", even though there isnt anything to be restored. He is again trying to find an excuse to remove my content.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Thanks for getting in touch with me. Here's my view on some of your points:

Another good example: take a look at the version history of the Health article. I wrote the first version, and people came and improved it. I don't own that writing, and I'm glad that people update it to make it more helpful and more accurate. Again, it's a collaborative effort.

  • "Yoshida is motivated by vengeance"

You guys don't agree on some things. Blowing up arguments into saying it's 'vengeance' is just going overboard. The above article about ownership of content says that things should calmly be resolved.

My strong suggestion is to just focus on other articles for now, or create new ones that are needed (see Special:WantedPages).

If you have specific links or examples of issues, please provide them.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Further more, making snipes like the "Was decided that nothing will be done" on the previous topic's summary isn't appreciated.

It took a while to get feedback from both Yoshida and you on what the disagreement was, and I didn't want to take any action without hearing out both sides. Making snide comments doesn't help your case.

Quick edit: I also saw your user page comments about Yoshida, which I have removed. Don't make inappropriate comments about other people on the wiki, and be respectful. Consider this your last warning before temp bans will be handed out.

Gottoni (talkcontribs)

My user page is my user page. If we had a proper page for that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents then it wouldnt be needed.

I am not saying I own anything, I am saying he is a disruptive moderator and will intentionally warm the contents I write, then I am saying let another moderator who is neutral and the fellow authors do the editing.

We did decided nothing but he think we concluded that all my content should be removed. He will do it and what are you gonna do about it?

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Yes, your user page is yours.

No, you can't put inciting messages on it.

If issues come up in the future, we'll deal with it. Every version and revision is saved, and all changes are public. It's really time to move on from this.

Mehni (talkcontribs)
Summary by Zesty

Implemented

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Hi again Zesty. Would it be possible enable the MsUpload extension? I've extracted all the images from the game, uncompressed this time, and would like to upload some images, overwriting some older versions (Battery.png for instance). But doing so one by one file would take forever. MsUpload is neat for such tasks, by clicking to edit a category, drag a bunch of files over the window, upload them, and then they automatically are categorised as well (but with annoying underscores instead of spaces).

The image categorisation was trickier than I thought, and looking at some old text files I found, I used HTML scraping with regex in the past, but it doesn't work correctly right now. Probably an issue with the regex, so I would need more testing. Just a small thing really, maybe nobody cares about it, but it would make it easier to find already uploaded images and use them in articles if it's possible to look at them via categories instead of trying to find them via various Special pages.

Some of the uncompressed images maybe shouldn't be used, such as the BGPlanet.png I just uploaded. The uncompressed version is 10 MB :D

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I'll get to enabling the extension and adding that CC footer, hopefully by Monday (GMT-8). I'm shooting Ty a quick message about a technical question, but it should be pretty easy to enable.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Hi. Recently I've communicated with User:PigeonGuru to try to understand a bit more about the template structure and suchlike here, which is a little tricky to wrap my head around (so many nested chains). I also wondered whether AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) has been used to mass-update pages? It's pretty useful. Previously I was a guardian on a Gamepedia wiki, and used it a lot there -- though it was perhaps best when creating new pages, with similar structure (like infoboxes), using input data from Excel/CSV. It can use RegEx, which makes it very powerful.

I have a more direct query, though. I've made a few additions to Help:Basics, and it is indeed quite basic. Therefore I wondered about copying content from either Wikipedia or Gamepedia's articles. However, an admin on Gamepedia raised the issues of the license on this wiki, which is sort of central to Share and Alike. I can't see any mention of a license here. Is there one, has it simply been forgotten? I'm also a little confused by mentions of Wikia, because I thought this was an independent wiki and not tied to one of the big hosters.

Perhaps people who edit here know all this stuff anyway, or go to Wikipedia for help. But it can't hurt to have it here too, and what I had in mind was for instance a help nav at the top, and then more detailed articles. Let's say a basic one (like now), one about images/gallery, one about tables, stuff like that. But leaning heavily on the already excellent articles from Wikipedia or Gamepedia, like a somewhat stripped down version of this. For that, however, this wiki probably needs the same/similar license, which happens to be ShareAlike 3.0 [1].

Would be grand if you could help us out here, as it would of course be easier to lean on the shoulders of others than to writing a new wheel :P

PS: If you could also give me an overview of how the templates all work together, that would be helpful. It's a bit daunting right now. I'm mainly thinking about Template:Infobox_main. Pangaea (talk) 02:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Heyo, sorry for being slow to reply. I've just come off a work weekend.

I'm not that sure on the specifics of users using tools to mass-update the wiki. There was a user or two in the past that used some bots to update pages, but it's been some time since they've made edits.

As far as the licensing goes, I'm a little surprised it's not listed. I'd assuming Tynan's fine with the wiki being like most other wikis, Share and Alike (CC BY-SA 4.0).

As far as how the templates work, I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on them anymore - I use to be, some years back. We don't have tons of active power users here.

I'm always open to suggestion on how things should be updated to make maintaining the wiki easier, though it'll take a while if it's any plugin stuff.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Thank you for getting back to me. If Tynan is fine with using the normal wiki license, do you know how quickly it's possible to get that into the footer on the page? Do you have to check with him, or can it be done more or less right away? With that in place, we could borrow content from other wikis and adapt it here, which I think could be useful. I'm also thinking about a frontpage redesign, if that is agreeable, and with the licence in place I could borrow some regular setups instead of starting from scratch. Depending on how it's done, it might require some changes to the .js file (if going with a flexible approach similar to many Gamepedia wikis).

About mass-updating, I actually just got AutoWikiBrowser working this evening (had to install a Win7 VM), and managed to log in. Stuff would probably time out pretty quickly as a regular user, for instance if I tried to give a bunch of files a category, technically editing the pages. However, I could try a little test run to see if it works like I remember. It's a powerful tool with RegEx capability and various filtering and automation possibilities. Haven't worked on it for about 2 years, so need to catch up on it first.

Managed to extract all the game images now (or so I think, around 2000 pictures). Names are a little different, and most of the important ones are probably uploaded already. But one I did find, that apparently isn't on the wiki, is the background image from the game itself (the nice-looking planet). I wanted to test out having it as a semi-transparent background for the wiki. With the licence in place, I can try to test out stuff like this on my user page (with custom CSS).

Totally understandable you're not up to speed with the templates any more after a few years. It can get pretty complex, and that appears to be the case here. Hurts just trying to wrap my head around it :D Personally I find it easier to work with templates if each thing/category has a template, instead of one super-template that's supposed to cover everything (and with several nested helper templates). From what I can gather there are sort of two super-templates here: infobox/thing and infobox main. But I'm not sure how it all ties together, and how to go about trying to edit them, or tie new templates with them. Err, so maybe best to ignore all that for now. It's also possible that this nesting and frequent template calls gets expensive in terms of performance.

Sorry for the essay here. If you are able to get that license info into the footer it would be easier for both me and others to take other content and adapt it for this wiki. Maybe it was merely an oversight from years back, and nobody have thought about it since. It happens.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Okay, I've taken care of the following:


- Enabled MS Upload. I did a quick test upload, and it seems to be working properly.

- I've filled in the $wgRights section on the wiki settings. Looks like it was never set, but it should now be listed on the footer of all pages.

- Made a simple copyright page, available at RimWorld_Wiki:Copyrights. It's linked in the footer.


Let me know if there's any issues with the extension or the footer. I think it should be smooth sailing.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Thank you, Zesty. This is excellent news. Will make it all the much easier to add content to the wiki, that already exists in various forms elsewhere. There was a slight error on the copyrights link, but it's sorted now.

Tried to upload some images while editing a category, and although the upload info looked correct (with a checkbox next to the category), the images didn't get added to the category. Do you know why this is, and is it possible to fix it?

Would make it much easier to upload many images from the game files if they get automatically added to the appropriate category, without needing to fix that afterwards.

The multiple uploads part worked great, so it's just the automatic categorisation that doesn't take effect for some reason.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I checked the settings, and enabled one related to categories. It should've been enabled by default, but please check if it is working as intended now.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the quick reply. I tried to upload another file while editing a category, but the category didn't get added to the file now either. Tried to search for the issue, but nothing useful turned up, and there isn't anything about it on the extension's talk page either.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Made a post on the extension's talk page. Hopefully there are eyes on it.

Don't know if this is relevant, but I noticed the version here is listed as 12.0 while the newest version over there is 13.1. Maybe more importantly (I honestly don't know), the commit thingy (0779791) appears to be linked to version 1.32 of MediaWiki judging from [1], while we have MediaWiki 1.31.0 over here. Could it be that this causes the issue?

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I updated the extension to the latest version from the Gitlab repo just now. Any difference?

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

YES! :) Now the most recently uploaded image showed up in the category. Thanks for fixing it :)

Now I can get to organise it all locally first, and then upload. I'm thinking to upload the three version for most "things", and then put them in a small gallery or something on each page.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Hmm, a slight hick-up. Not sure if this is a settings or MsUpload issue, and I don't recall how this worked on other wikis because it's been a couple of years. When I upload files that already exist, and thus upload a new version instead, the categorisation doesn't work. The category code is added on the file version, but not the file itself -- if that makes sense. See for instance here, where I fixed it afterwards: File:Flak_jacket.png

Tempting to just upload the images as they are named from the game files, but I'm trying to be sensible and use spaces where appropriate. It also looks like there are several versions of the same file uploaded in places (default game file names, lowercase, without spaces), so I'm not sure what would be the best approach really. But with spaces they should usually be the same as the page/article titles. However, if I need to manually fix all the new version uploads, that might be a pain. Would be excellent if you can look into if there is a fix for this. Otherwise I can try to do something with AWB, but it's going to have to be a largely manual job, which takes more time.

Sorry to keep bugging you about this.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure what else I can tweak with the plugin. The only two settings relevant to categories appear to be:


$wgMSU_showAutoCat = true; // Files uploaded while editing a category page will be added to that category


$wgMSU_checkAutoCat = true; // Whether the checkbox for adding a category to a page is checked by default


Both of these are set to true.

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Had another look at possible settings, but the Manual is information overload and I don't have the experience to find the needle. Have updated the post in the talk page.

If there is a solution and they get back to us that would be great. But in the meantime I can try a workaround using AWB. There is a "New files" filter, which will hopefully work here, with some more manual filtering afterwards. Better than doing everything manually. And having this extension is a great help as there are many hundred files to upload.

Summary by Zesty

Implemented

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Could you please go to MediaWiki:Darkvector.css and enter the following code? For some reason this is listed on top of every page.

#jump-to-nav {
	display: none;
}
Zesty (talkcontribs)

Okay, done.

Apologies, I've managed to break a rib IRL and am out of commission for some stuff lately. I've been following along with the email chain re: setting up Cargo and stuff.

I've added permissions to edit CSS to moderators, and, given your passion and constant feedback for the wiki, have promoted you to a moderator. Please let me know if there's any other permissions you need for editing/updating the wiki.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Ah. You'll have to bare with me for a bit, the user groups page is throwing an internal error when trying to set you to a moderator. Hopefully we can get that sorted

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Ouch, that sounds awful. Unfortunately I know from experience that it gets worse until around day 7-10 before it starts getting less painful. Hope you get better soon, and that it's not so bad that it hurts to breath.

Thanks, that's great and will make editing easier. Unless it's part of the moderator group already, it would also be useful to have the cargorecreatedata right. Possibly cargodelete too, but recreate is most important. As I wrote in the email chain, every time something changes with the schema (cargo_declare), the table will most likely need to be recreated, otherwise the new data won't get stored. Have lost count of how many times I've had to do this already on my localhost setup.

Hope the other issues the wiki has currently can be sorted out.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I think that's all been sorted. Let me know if you need other permissions for Cargo work.

Summary by Zesty

Copyright should be working now

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

Hi again. I'm trying to create some copyright templates. Do you (or anybody else reading this) know what is up with the #invoke stuff in templates such as Template:Copyright_CC-BY-SA_3.0? How do I fix that?

Pangaea (talkcontribs)

It appears to have been sorted now, after I replaced the Template:Ambox template. In general it looks like some more of these older general-use template could use some updating.

Summary by Zesty

Off topic

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

I wanted to ask you multiple questions.First one is do you like spicy avocadoes? Or what about the hottest pepper in the entire universe? or what about if a demon eats you?

Administrator and Moderator groups trimmed

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Summary by Zesty

Closing topic.

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I noticed a lot of users with admin powers are inactive. In the interest of account security (i.e. not letting inactive admin accounts get hijacked by malicious agents), I've stepped down the following accounts from their previous role to a regular user.


Stepped down the following users from the administrator/bureaucrat role:


Stepped down the following users from moderator:


If you are on this list and want your rights restored because you're going to be active again, please message me at your earliest convenience.

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

Spicy Hot!!!

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

Hey Zesty, I'm sorry about the spice message but I'm asking you if you can promote me to moderator(PigeonGuru can't help with it, of course). Can you leave a reply when I get promoted to Moderator? I'll see if you promote me tommorow? Great?

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

hello there Zesty?

Zesty (talkcontribs)

Hi. I apologize for the delayed response. I'm not currently adding any additional moderators at this time - it's mostly a role for cleaning up spambots at worst.

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

can you promote me to admin and bureaucrat instead for a change?

Zesty (talkcontribs)

No.

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

What can you promote me to then?

Jakek1356 (talkcontribs)

😡

Zesty (talkcontribs)

I'm not currently looking for any additional admins/bureaucrats or moderators.

I get the impression that you're passionate about the game and its community, but you don't need to strive to have a special role to be recognized as a wiki contributor.

The admin/bureaucrat role is for maintenance. The moderator role is there to help users with questions, page deletions, spambots -- that sort of thing. Jimyoda and PigeonGuru already have the wiki well covered for moderation.

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